so until we kind of break down those things, we can actually use religion. we can use god to remind people just where we stand as a party and actually expand our fold amongst the african-americans and hispanic communities which as we know we did so poorly with them in the last couple election cycles. we need to get them back and get in front of them. and we have a hook here. we just need to break down some of those other barriers so they'll given to us on those social issues. >> hogan, i like your pragmatism. we can use god. and i'm just teasing. i know you didn't mean it that way, it just came out funny. gay marriage. when hogan makes this point, no social issues can help us with african-american/hispanic voters because of religious conservatives. what about gay marriage? 53% of people think that should be okay. and that's shifting around this country. i think we all can acknowledge there has been a tipping point. i don't know when it's going to become overwhelming, but looks like it's going that way. how can a party win when they're going to say no to an i